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		<title>By: Wesley Lake</title>
		<link>http://dailynewarker.com/blog/2007/08/controversy-over-immigration-status-yields-state-wide-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-462</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with Carranza is that he shouldn&#039;t have been free on bail whether he was an illegal immigrant or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with Carranza is that he shouldn&#8217;t have been free on bail whether he was an illegal immigrant or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dear Newarkers, the problem with the illegal immigration status is going to get worse.As an immigrant myself and an investigator I offer a simple solution.

First of all, illegal immigrants, don&#039;t pay taxes to our society because they can not have a social security card.

Second, many of them have different names and fake passaports. Therefore, fake names to obtaining illegal driving licenses and be able to drive is on the rise nationwide.

Third, by getting in USA soil illegally our Government does not have the ability to know their background.

Forth, the potential and likelyhood of terrorist to infiltrate in our society and to cause us more harm than good is greater than before.

What can you do about that? My solution is simple.

1) Lets  get our legislators and Governor, as well as our mayors, to pass a legislation that everyone must have a some form of identification, preferable issued by the Motor Vehicle Department.

2) Allow the illegal immigrants  to obtain their driving privileges as long they have a passaport to identify  their data. Since our motor vehicle data is accessable to all police officers it is easy to identify who is who.

We Americans should learned with  other countries, especially in Europe, how they control their population.

For instances, in Germany everybody must have a Germany ID, if you are a German national, or you must carried your passaport, if you not a German national. The fines are very high and stiff on any violation of the law. Therefore, the people does not want to pay for such high fines impune by the court. People in Germany are very honest and follow the rules.

We must think outside of the box. Some times you must travel to other countries to feel the differnce. I am sure our legislators can do better if they think outside of the box, otherwise we will countinue the soap-opera in a different chapter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dear Newarkers, the problem with the illegal immigration status is going to get worse.As an immigrant myself and an investigator I offer a simple solution.</p>
<p>First of all, illegal immigrants, don&#8217;t pay taxes to our society because they can not have a social security card.</p>
<p>Second, many of them have different names and fake passaports. Therefore, fake names to obtaining illegal driving licenses and be able to drive is on the rise nationwide.</p>
<p>Third, by getting in USA soil illegally our Government does not have the ability to know their background.</p>
<p>Forth, the potential and likelyhood of terrorist to infiltrate in our society and to cause us more harm than good is greater than before.</p>
<p>What can you do about that? My solution is simple.</p>
<p>1) Lets  get our legislators and Governor, as well as our mayors, to pass a legislation that everyone must have a some form of identification, preferable issued by the Motor Vehicle Department.</p>
<p>2) Allow the illegal immigrants  to obtain their driving privileges as long they have a passaport to identify  their data. Since our motor vehicle data is accessable to all police officers it is easy to identify who is who.</p>
<p>We Americans should learned with  other countries, especially in Europe, how they control their population.</p>
<p>For instances, in Germany everybody must have a Germany ID, if you are a German national, or you must carried your passaport, if you not a German national. The fines are very high and stiff on any violation of the law. Therefore, the people does not want to pay for such high fines impune by the court. People in Germany are very honest and follow the rules.</p>
<p>We must think outside of the box. Some times you must travel to other countries to feel the differnce. I am sure our legislators can do better if they think outside of the box, otherwise we will countinue the soap-opera in a different chapter.</p>
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		<title>By: James R. Urias</title>
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		<dc:creator>James R. Urias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting take on the immigration issue in the Star Ledger pasted below:

How Newark can mend: First, forget about immigration status
by Ryan Haygood August 17, 2007 9:30AM


I have a confession to make.

I assumed that those responsible for the horrific murders of Terrence Aeriel, Dashon Harvey and Ofemi Hightower looked liked me.

That is, I assumed that they, like each of the victims, were black.


Indeed, a recent U.S. Department of Justice study confirmed that I was justified in my belief.

The study, released by the department&#039;s Bureau of Statistics last week, showed that although blacks comprise only 13 percent of the U.S. population, they represented nearly half of the nation&#039;s murder victims in 2005. The study&#039;s most startling finding, though, was that most of the black murder victims - an astonishing 93 percent - were killed by other black people.

In other words, more than 9 out of every 10 black murder victims die at the hands of another black person.

I assumed, incorrectly, that the same was true here. And I was not alone.

It turns out, however, that those charged with the murders of the three young friends are not black folks. They are Latinos, a few of whom are in New Jersey illegally.

To be sure, many of Newark&#039;s racially diverse residents have been drawn together after the shocking murders.

Others have sought, with some increasing frequency, to make an issue of the perpetratrors&#039; immigration status (and the immigration issue more broadly), arguing that we should &quot;send illegals back&quot; to their home countries.

The statistic above clearly demonstrates that mass deportation of illegal immigrants would have no impact on the rate at which blacks are murdered in communities like Newark.

More fundamentally, the plight of immigrants mirrors the struggles faced by blacks not that long ago.

Consider this scenario:

In the years between 1915 and 1970, 7 million migrants crossed Southern borders bound for economic opportunities in Northern cities like Newark, Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago and New York. A great number of them had little, if any, formal education. They were unskilled but were very willing to work.

Enticed by industries that promised gainful employment, those migrants worked for less money than the existing labor force, building resentment amid claims that these migrants were stealing jobs and driving down wages.

This is the story, not of the illegal immigrants who are at the center of the current debate, but that of the millions of blacks who left the American South following the abolition of slavery.

Black people are this country&#039;s first and only involuntary illegal immigrants. We were kidnapped from the African coast and dragged to the American shores for decades after the &quot;legal&quot; slave trade ended in 1808.

In the cloud of historical amnesia, and faced with this horrific tragedy, some of us overlook the fact that the debate surrounding immigration today echoes the issues that confronted blacks in the recent past.

The lessons taught by black history provide the strongest argument for rejecting forces that seek to weaken all of us by dividing us.

And division is precisely what focusing on the irrelevant immigration status of perpetrators creates.

In the wake of the tragic murders of three of Newark&#039;s promising young people, we must, more than ever, bond together and rebuild our city.

And we must do that together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting take on the immigration issue in the Star Ledger pasted below:</p>
<p>How Newark can mend: First, forget about immigration status<br />
by Ryan Haygood August 17, 2007 9:30AM</p>
<p>I have a confession to make.</p>
<p>I assumed that those responsible for the horrific murders of Terrence Aeriel, Dashon Harvey and Ofemi Hightower looked liked me.</p>
<p>That is, I assumed that they, like each of the victims, were black.</p>
<p>Indeed, a recent U.S. Department of Justice study confirmed that I was justified in my belief.</p>
<p>The study, released by the department&#8217;s Bureau of Statistics last week, showed that although blacks comprise only 13 percent of the U.S. population, they represented nearly half of the nation&#8217;s murder victims in 2005. The study&#8217;s most startling finding, though, was that most of the black murder victims &#8211; an astonishing 93 percent &#8211; were killed by other black people.</p>
<p>In other words, more than 9 out of every 10 black murder victims die at the hands of another black person.</p>
<p>I assumed, incorrectly, that the same was true here. And I was not alone.</p>
<p>It turns out, however, that those charged with the murders of the three young friends are not black folks. They are Latinos, a few of whom are in New Jersey illegally.</p>
<p>To be sure, many of Newark&#8217;s racially diverse residents have been drawn together after the shocking murders.</p>
<p>Others have sought, with some increasing frequency, to make an issue of the perpetratrors&#8217; immigration status (and the immigration issue more broadly), arguing that we should &#8220;send illegals back&#8221; to their home countries.</p>
<p>The statistic above clearly demonstrates that mass deportation of illegal immigrants would have no impact on the rate at which blacks are murdered in communities like Newark.</p>
<p>More fundamentally, the plight of immigrants mirrors the struggles faced by blacks not that long ago.</p>
<p>Consider this scenario:</p>
<p>In the years between 1915 and 1970, 7 million migrants crossed Southern borders bound for economic opportunities in Northern cities like Newark, Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago and New York. A great number of them had little, if any, formal education. They were unskilled but were very willing to work.</p>
<p>Enticed by industries that promised gainful employment, those migrants worked for less money than the existing labor force, building resentment amid claims that these migrants were stealing jobs and driving down wages.</p>
<p>This is the story, not of the illegal immigrants who are at the center of the current debate, but that of the millions of blacks who left the American South following the abolition of slavery.</p>
<p>Black people are this country&#8217;s first and only involuntary illegal immigrants. We were kidnapped from the African coast and dragged to the American shores for decades after the &#8220;legal&#8221; slave trade ended in 1808.</p>
<p>In the cloud of historical amnesia, and faced with this horrific tragedy, some of us overlook the fact that the debate surrounding immigration today echoes the issues that confronted blacks in the recent past.</p>
<p>The lessons taught by black history provide the strongest argument for rejecting forces that seek to weaken all of us by dividing us.</p>
<p>And division is precisely what focusing on the irrelevant immigration status of perpetrators creates.</p>
<p>In the wake of the tragic murders of three of Newark&#8217;s promising young people, we must, more than ever, bond together and rebuild our city.</p>
<p>And we must do that together.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of if it was a state wide policy to check or not check immigration status, why does the NJ AG have to issue an order requiring LEO&#039;s (law enforcement agencies) to check it now?

The real question now is why are law enforcement agencies in NJ not 287G compliant?

Now, as being a former Bail Bondsman, I can say outright that I never issued a bond for anyone who was not a citizen, and never would.

Geraldo Rivera is right on one of his talking points. Why did the judge grant such a low bail? Child rape should be a no bail charge.

We need to do more than what is being done. I suggest that all across the country people should get new laws on the ballots which eliminate all bail for Illegal Immigrants. In addition to that, we need to make it that every law enforcement agency in the country become 287G compliant.

This isn&#039;t a race issue, it is a legal issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of if it was a state wide policy to check or not check immigration status, why does the NJ AG have to issue an order requiring LEO&#8217;s (law enforcement agencies) to check it now?</p>
<p>The real question now is why are law enforcement agencies in NJ not 287G compliant?</p>
<p>Now, as being a former Bail Bondsman, I can say outright that I never issued a bond for anyone who was not a citizen, and never would.</p>
<p>Geraldo Rivera is right on one of his talking points. Why did the judge grant such a low bail? Child rape should be a no bail charge.</p>
<p>We need to do more than what is being done. I suggest that all across the country people should get new laws on the ballots which eliminate all bail for Illegal Immigrants. In addition to that, we need to make it that every law enforcement agency in the country become 287G compliant.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a race issue, it is a legal issue.</p>
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